HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. I had lovely family. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. So he came straight for me. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. I mean, she. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. David has written a book about the case, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. Zachary, I love you, baby. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. It soon became apparent who was responsible. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. He was like, `Eh, mm.' She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. Shirley. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. The. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. We. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. While watching the few minutes of the show, I could not believe that what the woman in the 'story' had done (at the end of the show/book) (and don't want to give away the ending here). Why would she say that if he wasn't? Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. But that is what the Bagbys. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. He was like Andrew. Then, upon. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. Was she lying? And I saw that night her malignancy. This story is about how the justice system in Canada failed the Bagby's -- not only when it comes to extraditing the murderer of their only son, but in aiding the murder of their only grandchild, Zachary -- their last living link to their son. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. He, consumed by anger. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. What if she is backed in a. corner? And now it's just. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. He said, `What can happen?'. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. I sat there. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Specific in nature? Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! And I said, `Who?' This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. Right? In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. "They are appalled and outraged.". Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Memorial University Medical School. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. The idea is for both individuals to be tempted by the singles, and ultimately decide if their partners are their perfect matches. You can't tell them this over the phone. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. Cpl. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Shortly after Andrew's death, his friend Kurt Kuenne had started to a make a documentary about the murder, asking friends and family to share their memories of Andrew. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. He loved to laugh, Kate says. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . 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