They are rarely, if ever, able to clearly articulate their reason(s) and at that point, I ask them to please refrain from using it in communicating with me. Please let me know your thoughts is the only one I have left that appears to be a safe bet. I think in the emails in this discussion the term is almost used out of context due to the monkey see, monkey do concept. Hell routinely ask me to send external invites for him, then 5 minutes later follow up with something like Has Bob accepted yet? I dont intend to sound bratty or condescending when I use it, I just have trouble finding a closer and email etiquette says that I should every. It does seem a bit babyish, but I usually hear it used in an OMG I am so EXCITED about my upcoming fun event! way that is a bit more forgiving than if it was being used, say, to countdown to a work conference or something like that. I stopped that one pretty quickly. usually its tasks related to a larger thing theyve agreed to. Yeah, Ive used it when I feel like there is a big complicated tangle of a situation and Im having trouble writing a concise question about it. Like, Kindly reply to this message by Thursday. Not something thats going to ruin my day or anything, but you could just ask me to do the thing, and Ill do the thing, because Im a professional adult who works hard to meet my obligations. Can I help the next person in line? is much better. Although to be honest, if Im sending my boss an FYI email I usually indicate that. I got needfulled a couple of times before I went to investigate the thing. Please let me know. plz advise. if you so wish. I also cant stand all caps in emails. This is the kind of comparison Im thinking of. I suspect itd be relatively easy to write a business email assist function that would help people compose nicer, clearer, more consistent emails. ", Textranch corrects my mistakes and tells me what is wrong in the sentence, and they responds quickly.". Thanks! I highly recommend it. I know that at least part of my strong reaction to you need to do X by [date], please and thank you is a result of the person/task combination that used it the most frequently in my last job. *taps foot*. EllieH Me too. He wasnt wrong. Thats what I use it for too! I think thats exactly it. Friday, 1/28: 10am - 12pm EST; 2pm - 4pm EST. However, I also think that in many cases, people like to use fancier language in writing because they think it makes them look smarter or more professional or something. Shes lovely, but I dont like the phrase. No. so once they agree to speak, i send the email to all the speakers with all the additional tasks, and say thank you in advance, as an acknowledgement of all the things i just told them to do. Its totally redundant and not necessary. I delete it from their email before responding. A recent fad in my workplace is kindly requesting things. With no punctuation. About half my relatives are from the South, and Ive never heard any of them use this phrase in anything other than a sincere way. should I tell the truth in my exit interview? Sexy way of putting it! Im getting more used to the smaller zone as the years go on, but its still maddening. One day I went in to talk to her about a security issue. I had a calculus teacher who said a combination of the words so um ok yeah every few sentences. And grammatically speaking, not all requests for a response have to be phrased as a question. I guess what I am trying to convey is "if you email back saying no I'm not going to be upset or start arguing with you". Am I being overly sensitive? For some reason, were constantly begging our lawyer to (pretty) please (and only should the stars align to create no personal inconvenience to him) advise (on this legal matter with respect to which were paying him a hefty fee). This will save me on average X amount of time per day. I agreed upthread, but since people were disagreeing here, I wanted to +1 the passive-aggressive vibe. The sender was supposed to gather enamel samples to base a decision on, but flaked on doing it. I'm definitely trying to be polite! Have you booked that hotel I only asked you about on the phone 30 seconds ago? I recieve emails like shipping updates a lot of the time and Ive defaulted to saying Thanks! because I dont know what else to say, even though theres not really anything Im thanking them for. Please advise. Or How do I save a word file? I dont know how to line up a potential solution if I dont know what solutions exist, and thats why Im contacting them in the first place. I do it a lot too. On the please advise thing. One thing you can do, is watch how other people close their emails and steal the best ideas from what you see. Its just that, were putting covers on ALL TPS reports now. The original model was created digitally in Nomad Sculpt . In international travel forums British nationals often ask a question about hotels or restaurants or whatever with I require a XYZ to me I require sounds demanding and entitled and always evokes mild hostility in me. So, friendly reminder is not good to use? I use please advise sometimes with my boss always when Im expected to make a judgment call that Im not sure how to handle. Research indicates, however, that including "don't know" options actually produces more problems than it solves. 2. Heeeeelllllloooooooo? I get those a lot. We wouldnt say Please advise out loud, because we know how it sounds. Every nasty email from our home office bookeeper ends with PLEASE ADVISE. I also hate that phrase, but I think its just because of that particular sender. In my job, emails are often used as official business communiques. Then the person I speak with asks why not just do C? In American English, "prefer" is a little more formal but still common enough to use in everyday speech. We KNOW that some cultures crowd up and breath down your neck; we KNOW in our heads that it is a cultural difference this does not prevent the visceral reaction to being crowded that people who require more personal space feel. I feel like I am being summoned. Most reasonable people will understand it. Tuesday, 1/25: 2pm - 4pm EST. This is interesting. + Read the full interview, I sometimes wonder if my English expressions make sense clearly and TextRanch helps me a lot in such cases. i really like it and never considered that it could be seen as condescending! Would prefer a steel guide rod. + Read the full interview, I love TextRanch because of the reliable feedback. And of course I understand and noted in my OP that other English speaking nations use slang that is different from ours and sounds perfectly normal to them just as ours sounds annoying. I really dont think sleeps is a Britishism. Labyrinthine One of my coworkers uses VR. FWIW, the overuse of the word like is probably the most annoying Americanism. Just ask a direct question or make a decision or leave me alone, but quit spouting off please advise and then wait for me to fill the silence. Please Advise.. I am way too informative. :). I dont mind it. Yes! Emails were coming in all day long. I agree that benefit of the doubt is important when reading emails just because tone can be hard to convey correctly sometimes, but it seems like an oxymoron to say dont read into tone that isnt there when you have no way to know what the tone is supposed to be aside from what you can grasp by the words the sender used. I guess I always thought of it as similar to Thanks for reading this e-mail or something. Can I help whoevers next would be perfectly grammatical, thoughhow about that? Im still waiting for the Veeblefetzer Report, Please send it to me ASAP.. Do you want to build a SNOWMAN?. + Read the full interview, Michel Vivas, Senior Technology Officer, TextRanch is amazingly responsive and really cares about the client. Itd be a big category. We can either 1) switch to white chocolate 2) continue with milk chocolate or 3) form a team to identify new chocolate options. Please let me know what to do.. We all have to remember that our way is not the only way. I would definitely let this one go.. Please advise rubs me the wrong way, too. I dont think you do actually need a closer every time, whether you mean a final sentence or something more like sincerely. Especially with people in the same office, and especially when it gets deep into an email exchange, I see a lot of messages like this: And thats the whole message, and nobody thinks its rude, because those two people have already emailed each other 20 times that day and theyre not bothering with Dear Jane and Sincerely anymore, or a sum-up sentence at the end or anything. But in Namibian English, dear has come to be spelled dia. I spent a lot of time wondering who Dia was and why people were always thinking that was my first name, I just got really excited that someone else commenting here has lived in Namibia. I just went around her because it was quicker and easier. "Please let me know when a good time would be - to meet - to talk - to have lunch" Or "Please let me know when would b. Ive used friendly reminder before usually when the person has already missed the deadline. is it unprofessional to have an email address with 69 in it? Makes sense to me; Im asking for advice from my boss. Personally, I tend to say something like Let me know, thanks! or Can you please let me know? when indicating I need a response and Im not ending with an obvious question. +1. if you will. as an example, someone is speaking at an event, for which we dont pay for, but reimburse for. I always take the time to phrase my response as, I advise you to Actually, if any of my direct reports use it, I ask what they mean by it. if you so desire. Me: I havent heard back about who should be the signatory on this document. I think it sounds a little formal, but not offensive, so this letter surprises me a bit. Could we meet on Tuesday instead?" Thank you in advance is completely fine when Im being asked to do something that I actually can do. Thats a great use for it. There are situations where someone under you (general you) genuinely does not have the information to make a plan of action. Iris. Me too. Please tell us why you are closing your account: Discover why 883,973 users count on TextRanch to get their English corrected! But I think the first message, without bold or caps, is perfectly clear and effective. I also find that, when replying all, it helps to specifically address the people who need to take some sort of action or provide an answer. Improve your English! Please let us know if gets his speech back. (without going into details, many of my co-workers have 4 or 5 or more phone numbers). But dont you need to reply all with a request to be removed from a group email? I feel like its very similar to replying to an email and saying Message received or acknowledged. Yes, technically those are fine, but in the places Ive worked, it would be a very odd tone to take. In the nicest possible way, this made me smile because like is pretty common in the UK as well though mostly with younger people. I am reflecting that the phrase I hate to be a pest, but can also come off as passive aggressive. When I see it, I always remind myself that, irritating though that phrase is, the writers proficiency in English is much better than my proficiency in the writers native language. BUT really. I think this is completely context dependent and I think it *can* be really passive aggressive. The rest of my team backed away slowly when the work landed on my lap.). Do (b)not(/b) leave your belongings at the front desk. Thanks in advance! is less annoying to me than please and thank you. Okay. Or someone is just trying to convey some type of information to a group of people using intermediaries so they dont have to micromanage every department like the district manager to the dept. ", Its one of the best way of improving written skills. I just say, Hi can you tell me if blahblahblah? and just wait their response (if Im IM-ing them its not that urgent). w.attachEvent("onload", loader); I know Im starting to react badly to anyone saying I have a question or I have a *quick* question (questions in my industry are never quick) or Can I ask you a question? because I hear it fifty times a day, for example. Its shorthand for I acknowledge that Im asking a lot of you, and I am really grateful that you are doing this especially since Im not paying you and its probably a big inconvenience. Make sense? Doesnt bother me much after that. Yeah, I used to work at a company that had outsourced a lot of its work to India. Its the opposite of passive aggressive its direct. Thank you !! When you ask the question, it gives people a chance to decide if they want to know more, or not. But sometimes its meant as please advise not tell me what to do. In fact I just searched my emails for please advise and 99% of them (250 results since July/August-ish last year) were from this guy! If I have asked a series of questions, I put a final, actionable question at the end. They are conserving letters so the letters do not wear out or get all used up. It was perfect for the scenario because if someone shows you a proof and you dont follow it, you often dont have a question so much as you have a wuhhh? I always wondered if it was an expression I wasnt familiar with or what. Hm, Im not sure Ive invented a sufficiently annoying scenario, but hopefully the point is clear. If you'd prefer to cancel your membership placed through Shipt by contacting our customer support team, you can call our dedicated line at (205) 259-7798 between 8 am - 8 pm CT. . Author: Douglas I admit that I have a visceral reaction to the use of the words please advise (and ALL CAPS and soft reminders and read receipts). It is a way of warning people to stay in the order they came. This is my question. One comment noted that please advise can be the equivalent of a punt: Heres this crappy thing Ive been trying to deal with. I think we could write Please let me know which you prefer or What do you think? and offend nobody. Came to say the exact same thing. Certain phrases set me off too. Thanks, It is now on your side of the line. Thats the way I use it too. Same thing happened at my work placethousands of employees all responding with reply all. 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