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But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. Updated: August 30, 2013 . Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. Despite a number of leads and suspects, police have not been able to identify her killer. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946 Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little. I would like to request an internal review of (an adverse) decision made by South Wales Police regarding information I requested on 28-6-21. Norah Irene Bartlett. 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It blighted my life. For Hoyles, and no doubt numerous other people in Penllergaer,every dollar spent bringing Muriels killer one step closer to justice has been a dollar well spent. I have spoken to former D.C.I Paul Bethel and given him this information. And shockingly the reply was that the information I requested was in written format and would take at least 16 hours at a cost of more than 450 to supply and my request was denied. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. On the afternoon of Muriels murder, thirteen-year-old Hoyles purchased eggs from Muriels mother at their family farm. Neil. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. D.C, Paul Rogers, independent of Victor Penalunas theory, contacted me by phone and told me that his research had led him to believe that Harold Jones may have been Muriel Drinkwaters killer. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. Her route to her familys home Tyle-Du Farmentailed a mile-long journey that wove in and out of the woods. I hope Margaret gets the answers she deserves sooner rather than later. "We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. Former Detective Inspector Paul Bethell, who was in charge of South Wales Police's cold case team, explained in the documentary: "We know Muriel used to catch the school bus from the school to the gateway off the main road which led to the forestry, and then she would walk about a mile through the forestry, along the lane to the farmhouse.". And please do not forget tosubscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. Happier times: Alex Murdaugh, Maggie and their sons are the picture-perfect family in never-before-seen photos taken on a hunting trip just a few years before brutal slayings, 'Why isn't he being prosecuted?' OnJune 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school inPenllergaer, Swansea. Muriel was murdered 16 years before I was born, but it was a story I had heard from a young age. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. [8][4] Policemen from Glamorgan, assisted by the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit, used a metal detector to search for a second weapon suspected to have been used, but never located it. Will do Christine. Learn more about managing a memorial . Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. Your email address will not be published. In fact, it was recently used to identifyJoseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer who is thought to be responsible for at least a dozen murders and 50 rapes in the 1970s and 1980s in the United States. Margaret went out into the yard and her and Muriel exchanged waves. However, a lack of hard evidence would later see him freed. Jones was released from prison in December of 1941, so he was a free man when Muriel was killed. An autopsy later determined that Muriel had been bludgeoned, raped, and shot twice in the chest. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Only the exhumation of Jones body or D.N.A. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA Daily Mail article, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder Sword and Scale article, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police The Sunday Times article. After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. I am awaiting D.N.A tests to be carried out on Harold Jones family members. Thanks for reading and for taking the time to share your thoughts. But when they tested a stain on Muriel's coat it did not come up with a link to child murderer Harold Jones - who is also suspected of being a serial killer dubbed Jack the Stripper. The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. However, in 2008, a team of retired detectives investigating cold cases found Drinkwater's clothes in storage. A brother, nephew, grandson. 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He died at that address in 1971. "She lost sight of her for a few moments. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. Another wait and see. from Ron Harries and his cousin and from Muriels coat and yet are not releasing the results of the tests. Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little Red Riding Hood murder', and have uncovered a new prime suspect. So with that revelation the re-opened inquiry could have cost 15 million or more as did the Gwent Police inquiry into the disgraced former Abertillery care home owner Dr Dana Pras. Your work keeps this case alive and I hope it will one day reveal the true identity of Muriels killer. Click hereto hear the Audio File of this case. Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. Victor told me that he had seen a T.V. Even though Jones died in 1971, his male descendants DNA could be tested to determine if he was the culprit responsible for Muriels murder. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Update: I have left it two weeks for the . Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? 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Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. An amazing campaign by Neil Milkins, but unfortunately, no breakthrough for Muriel. Business class plane passenger refuses to give up his seat so a man could sit next to his wife on her birthday - selfish or fair enough? Neil Milkins. "We had access to the files and identified that a semen stain had been found on the coat. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. He said, ``She was regularly seen walking, skipping and singing in the woods as she made her way each day from her home to the . 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She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. Police confirmed a cold case review on the stain found on Muriel's coat in 1946 had now been tested by forensics teams. 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. Chief Inspector Bethell aptly explains, Re-opening the case is as much about proving who didnt do it, as who did. Remember that Hoyles was suspected of Muriels murder for decades and lived under a cloud suspicion that followed him everywhere he travelled in his small village. Her mother seen her approaching 400 yards away, so perhaps she was a selected victim. [15] There is evidence that Harries was employed by Drinkwater's father, John, at the time of her death. There must be other victims of this person as I cant see him stopping. Who sodomises a 12 year old girl and batters her about the head, then shoots her twice in the chest? All Rights Reserved. Im not sure how much of a farming business the family had or if they just casually sold eggs like many people in the country do. Something went wrong, please try again later. The gun was described as aColt 45 American army issue automatic pistol, first issued for World War I but probably also used in World War II, which significantly had the original wooden stocks next to the grip modernised with perspex.. There are far too many retired people out there who want to write books about unsolved murders, trawling through these records and coming up with half-baked theories.. The perpetrator left cigarette stubs, sweet wrappers, and pieces of bread at the scene of the crime, which the authorities have said indicates that he was waiting in the dense woods for his chance to strike. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Thank you for the update. This was a very small, close knit community and everybody knew everybody and everybodies business. We can also deduce it is a average male because he must have had enough power to dominate a 12 year old girl. Enter your email address to receive our monthly newsletter and to be notified about new posts. . Muriels niece is in a dreadful state. Mr Hall, who was intrigued by the unsolved crime, says friends of Muriel remember her as the ``perfect pupil''. SOUTH Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has been investigating the murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater whose body was found in Penllergaer Woods, Swansea in 1946. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". As always you can unsubscribe at any time. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Video, 00:02:36Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? The Little Red Riding Hood murder of Muriel Drinkwater. She was still wearing her school uniform. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. Forensic historian Nell Darby found similarities in the case of Muriel Drinkwater and the later Ronnie Harries farmhouse murders in old newspaper articles from the time. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. Video, 00:00:36, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle, At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece. This forensic approach is becoming more common. They visited the Carmarthen bookshop to identify if the killers family had taken the books there. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . He is very clearly interested in the fact that she is young, that she is a schoolgirl, and also that she is very clever. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the Specialist Crime Review Unit said: 'The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater (left) might have been a victim of a notorious serial killer Harold Jones when she was raped and murdered in 1946. She had been attacked on the lane and then she was dragged to where the body was left.". Great questions! The last person who reported seeing her was Hubert Hoyles, then 13, who passed her on the path returning from her family farm, where he had gone to buy eggs. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. Hi Neil. There is little doubt that Muriels murderer was lying in wait, just counting the minutes until he could commit his heinous crime. A moment later, Muriels path wound into a thickly wooded area, and her mother returned to her chores in the kitchen. Neil. A 73-year-old sample semen has conclusively disproved the theory Harold Jones was the killer of 12-year-old schoolgirl Muriel Drinkwater, Get the latest court and crime news from WalesOnline. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. Elizabeth Muriel Greenshields Drinkwater . Muriel was the same age as my Aunt Peggy and they went to Primary school together. Moments before being brutally attacked, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater had waved to her mother, who stood at the kitchen window, as she made her way home from Gowerton High School along the long path that led to the family home. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. Regards. To see documentary google Dark Lands Muriel Drinkwater iplayer. Thanks again for sharing this. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer. [8] A description of a person of interest was circulated; he was described as approximately 30 years old, with "thick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket. This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Officers are now examining a semen stain on Muriel's coat to see if it can be linked to Jones. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. 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